Dear friend and former student
Miranda always thanks me for responding to her comments. The debt is all mine. No one else comments here. She not only leaves comments, but poses the
best kind of questions. In a
recent post I stated this:
I find it difficult to see evolutionary theory as anything but
beautiful. I don't think that understanding the evolutionary roots of the
beautiful and noble things detracts in any way from their beauty, any more than
understanding the science of optics detracts from the beauty of a Canaletto
perspective. I have to try hard to see why it seems otherwise to so many
people.
So far, I cannot think of a single cherished idea that I held before I began to take Darwinism seriously that I had to give up. On the other hand, I can't think of one that seems exactly the same to me as it did before. I hope that means that my idea are richer.
So far, I cannot think of a single cherished idea that I held before I began to take Darwinism seriously that I had to give up. On the other hand, I can't think of one that seems exactly the same to me as it did before. I hope that means that my idea are richer.
Miranda had mentioned the allegory
of the cave from Plato in her first comment.
She responded to the above:
If [Plato’s] cave is only full of shadows and there is only
light outside, it is easy to see why someone on the outside would have trouble
understanding what people in the shadows saw in being inside. But suppose that,
inside the cave, there were shadows of all the people you had once loved, who
had died and that this was all you had left of them. Suppose there was a good
chance that you might never see them again if you were to step into the light.
Wouldn’t you be more reluctant to step out of the cave? I would be.
Those of us who grew up believing that the soul was a ghost in the machine, that could survive apart from the body and live forever - and that this meant that perhaps we could reunite with the souls of those we had loved, but who had died - have a difficult time seeing the idea of the soul as a set of nutritive processes, dependent on the body.
To believe that the soul depends on the body, which is clearly not eternal, means having to consider the idea that the soul is not eternal. It may mean having to accept that the dead are dead and that there is no chance of seeing them again. Whether this is true or not, I think it is a less beautiful idea than the idea of eternal life and the chance to see those you have lost again. That is not to say that something is truer just because it more beautiful, but I don’t think it is hard to see why someone might be reluctant to leave such an idea behind.
Those of us who grew up believing that the soul was a ghost in the machine, that could survive apart from the body and live forever - and that this meant that perhaps we could reunite with the souls of those we had loved, but who had died - have a difficult time seeing the idea of the soul as a set of nutritive processes, dependent on the body.
To believe that the soul depends on the body, which is clearly not eternal, means having to consider the idea that the soul is not eternal. It may mean having to accept that the dead are dead and that there is no chance of seeing them again. Whether this is true or not, I think it is a less beautiful idea than the idea of eternal life and the chance to see those you have lost again. That is not to say that something is truer just because it more beautiful, but I don’t think it is hard to see why someone might be reluctant to leave such an idea behind.
I have been blogging for decades
and I cannot remember ever receiving so powerful and beautiful a response. I will try to do it justice.
Yes, I can imagine that it would
be hard to move from a world of shadows to a world of real things, visible in
the light, if one is in love with shadows.
I am well acquainted with the longing that Miranda skillfully presents
here. I lost my father a few years ago
and I would pay dearly to see him again.
I am not, however, the least bit interested in seeing his shadow.
The shadows in Plato’s [or
Socrates’] cave are two dimensional representations of things that may or may
not exist in the real world. The shadows
may be comforting but you can’t hug them or converse with them. That is the problem with the “ghost in the
machine” view of the soul: all it can offer you is vapor, intangible and
anything but warm.
I am pretty certain that the
notion of a disembodied soul is incoherent.
If you want evidence, consider how ghosts are represented in
movies. They are more or less
transparent, but they have arms and legs and are usually wearing clothes. As Bierce put in his Devil’s Dictionary, it’s one thing to believe in the survival of a
human being after death; but textile
fabrics?
It is evidence of the weakness of
the Christian churches that they have allowed this Cartesian dualism, the
Gospel According to Disney as I like to put it, to displace the doctrine of all
the major churches for the last thousand years.
I remember repeating that doctrine in the church of my youth. Here is the 3rd stanza of the
Apostles’ Creed:
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
the holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
The resurrection of the body is
the promise of the Gospel. No vaporous
floating or shadowy flickering; I will get my body back. Hopefully, I will be taller. This is consistent with the emphasis in the
wee books of the New Testament on Christ coming in the flesh. He didn’t float out of the tomb. He swung his legs off the slab and walked
out.
Human souls are not conceivable
apart from human bodies. That doesn’t mean
that there can’t be an afterlife. It
just means that if there is, we have to get a body back. There is nothing incoherent about that. If the original tapes of Jesus Christ
Superstar were destroyed, I would still have the rock opera on my IPod. Information is always embodied.